Try to get scholarships. R/LAWSCHOOL'S FAQ! - JD grad of law school in mid-40s - Graduated top 11% - 5 cali's - Only took two tax courses but received A's in both Thanks in advance! ), Doctor of Juridical Science (S.J.D. I will end with a final note that for applying criteria I would rank it as Tax coursework GPA > overall GPA/Class rank > experience > personal statement and what one of those criteria lacks the other criteria should stand out exponentially. Following and adding whether itâs common to go straight from a JD program to LLM. My end goal is to be a tax attorney and Iâm planning on attending a t75 school in the fall that isnât necessarily known for tax because of location and scholarship. I'm a 2L who is close to striking out OCI leads so I've been looking into this as well. Its 3rd highest ranked JD program is a TTTT. All 0L (pre-law and students considering law school) posts must be contained within the weekly stickied 0L threads. I've seen the law from most angles, AMA! (Notice: No transfer questions from 0Ls. Like they get a J.D. Is the thinking here that much of what you would learn in the classroom consists of skills and knowledge you would nonetheless learn on the job through experience? The reality is that a tax LLM -- just like a JD -- doesn't prepare you for practice. So in terms of getting a job your prospects of getting one at an accounting firm go up but you are still competing on the grades front. I'm not saying the USNWR's ranking calculus is perfect by any means, but I don't think it's completely crazy to rank programs based upon how established or "recognizable" they are. Ask questions, seek advice, post outlines, etc. The focal point of the degree is a thesis. Started at a boutique banking and corporate litigation firm, networked to big law doing venture capital and technology law, and am now a GC at a software company with about 1,000 employees. The LLM at The Peter A. Allard School of Law is a research-intensive degree that prepares graduates for opportunities in law teaching, legal research, policy development, public and governmental service, and the practice of law. program, with Florida and Georgetown rounding out the top three. Is your LLM in tax law? Georgetown is similar to UF in that most of their grads work in DC/Northeast (UF -- Southeast). It's very distracting in class. So are you saying that the majority of your Schoolâs tax LLM students come from a different law school? Georgetown slightly easier. I also would recommend against getting an LLM unless it is a Tax LLM from NYU or G-town. One place Iâm waiting on (San Diego) has it and could theoretically be a place I stayed all the way through. I wouldn't go to UF or Georgetown if you wanted to work in CA. But you wonât get into any of these programs without good grades. Do you feel like you truly benefited something it? Thank you for the insightful and well-thought answer! 3. TLDR: Recommend not getting LLM except in Tax from G-town or NYU. Now I know why you have such a childish -- and completely wrong -- view of UF's program. No offense intended but many can't speak English. I would note that the big law 28.43% may be misleading as those going to big law likely already worked or had delayed offers at big law firms coming to NYU or were the heavy networkers. That being said, get into the best LLM program you can. With an average of 40 full-time students and eight residential tax faculty professors, the Tax Program has one of the lowest student to faculty ratios of any graduate tax program in the country. Anyway, sorry this is a longer post and for any disarray of flow I am writing this just before heading into class. Please note that r/lawschool typically neither alters nor verifies the accuracy of flair. Then you'll see which degrees carry more weight and not rely on a blog to call a program a dumpster fire. A tax LLM isn't required to become a tax lawyer and there are many great tax practitioners that do not have a tax LLM. I recently read an article that basically trashed LLMs and just curious what you think. Full-time students are each assigned to a faculty advisor, who mentors him or … I have a good buddy with a tax LLM from one of the local programs who works for a medium sized tax controversy firm there (he's a damn good tax attorney). UF's tax program has an awesome tax faculty. Even then recruiting is still difficult but to get my ranking of criteria are Tax coursework GPA > overall GPA/Class rank > work experience > personal statement and what one of those criteria lacks the other criteria should stand out exponentially. If you can't get a scholarship, I would think long and hard about taking on more debt just for an LLM. and certificate programs (full-time, part-time and online) are open to applicants with either a J.D. Browse discussion threads by topic below, or do a keyword Georgetown Law’s LL.M. The Law School does not predetermine the curriculum; rather, LL.M. Before you give advice on here about tax degrees, you should graduate and get some tax experience under your belt. at St. Johnâs then an LLM at NYU for example. I took a shot, applied for an internship position that I really wanted...and I got it!!! [â]FSUAttorney 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago* (1 child). Georgetown Law 600 New Jersey Avenue NW Washington DC 20001 202.662.9000 Georgetown Law Close Search submit Admissions & Aid Expand Navigation J.D. Thanks for the help! and Certificate students come from more than 60 countries and close to 150 different law schools from around the world. Does one need to be top of the class in order to gain admission or do they put more emphasis on work experience? When (if) you get a moment, could you expand on why some of the general sentiment is that only tax LLMs are really worth it. Huh? Georgetown’s LL.M. These changes are not The main reason for not recommending an LLM is from a job outlook perspective as an unemployed JD grad trying to hit the big law market again. ), Master of Studies in Law (M.S.L. The Executive LLM is the latest evolution of the Graduate Tax Program’s distance education initiatives. Awesome, thanks for all of the help! Use it to compare your profile to others by checking on individual user names. "I would say New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. This is good advice. Also. My school doesnât have a tax LLM program. Rendered by PID 14393 on r2-app-00ddc02aadc44d28c at 2021-02-04 13:50:56.048332+00:00 running 7743784 country code: PL. I just wanted to know where I can find information online about the statistics on admission into LLM programs. All applicants must purchase the Document Assembly Service ($85). Does anyone know what the process is for applying to different law schools for an LLM specialization after you graduate from law school? So of the total 150 tax LLM students about 15 may get jobs during Fall OCI since NYU 3L's can also apply for half of those positions as well. Being transparent, there is an honest debate as to whether Georgetown is second or third. [â]farmer_jd[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children), [â][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child). use the following search parameters to narrow your results: For current and former Law School Redditors. Even tax, often considered an exception to the bad-LLM rule, may be losing its luster in a weak job market flooded with more and more LLM grads every year. I have gathered that (aside from tax where it has been a part of a tax attorney's expected training) they are now gaining in popularity. A tax LLM isn't required to become a tax lawyer and there are many great tax practitioners that do not have a tax LLM. Both wrong observations. AMA. [â]beaubaezProfessor 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (6 children). Not sure where the UF hate comes from, but you sound rather childish: "dumpster fire" and "avoid the fuck out of UF." comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 2 years ago (1 child). Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. I've been a lawyer for about 20 years. Awesome thanks! [+]JoraznatacEsq. click here for a more detailed explanation on joining this subreddit. You may notice that the current status date will change over time, even if the status does not. If you don't have tax experience other than taking classes, do not take on more debt to get an LLM if isn't NYU. Georgetown Law, in Washington, D.C., has one of the most well-established graduate programs in the United States and offers an unparalleled opportunity for lawyers to broaden and deepen their understanding of law through advanced study. Thanks! Personal attacks are defined as attacks on a user's person, not their idea. If you can get a tax job w/o the LLM youâre winning. Georgetown University Law Center offers a world-renowned Graduate Tax Program with the largest tax curriculum of any school in the United States. UF is a very strong law school and they are well known for their tax program. It's probably different for the big 3 tax programs, but generally, what's required for admission is a J.D. My feeling is you have to be around top 10% from a TT with some tax classes on the transcript for NYU. ①税法：キャンパスの斜向かいにTax Courtがあります。税法専門のLLMコースがあり、国外のみならず、アメリカ国内の弁護士も税法の専門性を身につけるために在籍しています。②金融規制法：規制当局者の授業があるとの理解。 The faculty and the cost of the LLM both make it worthwhile if you want to practice in the southeast (and you have some previous tax experience). Are there any past applicants that can help evaluate chances at Georgetown and NYU? NYU administered an educational program for the IRS Chief Counsel’s Office for many years, initially teaching small groups of attorneys at their 1111 Constitution Avenue headquarters in Washington, DC. Corporate Tax (JD/Gen.LLM) Corporate Taxation (LLM Tax) Corporations Corruption in an Era of Climate Change: Rebuilding Saint Maarten after Hurricane Irma Creating Change as a Lawyer Crime and Criminology Criminal Justice Gotta hate when a hilarious case shows up in your reading, but then it takes a dark turn... For those MTG law nerds ... part of my clerkship office decor, Vault really went from 'let me help you' to 'This you?' Best of luck in your application and decision. I'm actually upset I wasted my time responding to your post after finding out that you're getting your tax LLM at Northwestern. 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (4 children). degree from a law school … [â]farmer_jd[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child). The tax LLM job market is "getting better, but it's still not anywhere close to where it was four or five years ago," said Albert G. Lauber, head of Georgetown's graduate tax program and a nominee to the U.S. Tax Court. Iâm super happy with the outcome of this shirt. LLM GUIDE Discussion Board Welcome to the LLM GUIDE discussion board – a place to discuss LLM programs and admissions, ask questions, and share experiences. ), and Certificate programs. Hey, excellent post, very informative. The JD/LLM program provides students with a broad based and advanced skill set in taxation, which will create employment opportunities for students interested in a career in Tax Law. And as an FYI -- UF's tax LLM carries much more weight nationally than Northwestern's. and your check to clear. YOU MUST provide us with a valid law school email address. Press J to jump to the feed. Looking at NYU's programs for example, if I were to pick one, it would be the LL.M. It is the goal of the Office of Graduate Admissions at Georgetown University Law Center to recruit and select the most qualified and diverse students, from around the globe, for our Master of Laws (LL.M. The three national programs are NYU, Georgetown, and Florida, and the rest are regional schools. The top 3 traditional tax LLM programs are NYU, Georgetown, and Florida by most rankings’ accounting, but I still question University of Florida’s inclusion in the top 3, or a “top 3” as a concept in tax LLMs at all, because in fifteen You're striking out on OCI so you're going to give up on jobs and go for an LLM instead? NYU is consistently ranked as the top Tax LL.M. Any The reality is you need to make an adjustment to your expectations of type of employment you are willing to take or work really hard to network into the type of job you are expecting. [â]AccrualAndUnusualEsq. degree, which can be completed in person or entirely online.Georgetown’s extensive tax curriculum offers students the opportunity to choose from more than 65 courses and seminars dealing with every aspect of tax law. U.S.-educated candidates must have received a J.D. To get into the Tax field, the LLM in Tax has become the way almost everyone gets in. Going beyond a narrow, mechanical understanding, facu… Honor system is in place. Like getting a J.D. Students who are experienced tax professionals but not attorneys can now take advanced tax courses at Georgetown Law and earn a online Master of Studies in Law (MSL) in Taxation . Want to work in US big law and get paid accordingly (although also acceptable to work in US big4) 2. want to be in a rule-based practice where I feel it fits me more. Over the 1L first semester fear now everything is just blahhh. You can also sort the table by LSAT, GPA, Status and important dates. One exception is Georgetown, which offers all of its LLM courses at night. This is because of the many tax programs out there, and the large pool of candidates with this LLM. Statistically, the breakdown of NYU graduates secure of employment can be found here http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/llmstudents/faqsfortaxationcandidates. NYU will get you a job anywhere. Outside of the Tax LLM at either of these two schools there is relatively no marketability from what I could find. As I see in another reddit thread by a Virginia's LL.M. Click "(edit)" next to your name above the sidebar and below "show my flair on this reddit.". Finally, if you took tuition and cost of living out of consideration, would you be more inclined to recommend an LLM other than tax? A lot of schools use the LLM as a cash source, and it doesn't affect their ABA ranking. [â]lVlarkzzzEsq. Appreciate the help! I am a current NYU tax LLM student and so can only speak to my experience I have had so far and the experience of those I have reached out to although I assume G-town is similar. Personal attacks are not allowed. Winter OCI seems to be when the majority of the other tax LLM's find employment but these sound to be mostly with Big 4 accounting firms or smaller law firms. 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 14393 on r2-app-00ddc02aadc44d28c at 2021-02-04 13:50:56.048332+00:00 running 7743784 country code: PL. Annually ranked as one of the top tax programs in the nation, the Graduate Tax Program at Georgetown Law offers a unique combination of world-class full-time and adjunct faculty, more courses than any other program in the nation, and the opportunity to study tax law in Washington, D.C., where the nation’s laws are made, interpreted, and enforced. I left biglaw after 5 months for a public interest job. The honest answer for many is that a tax LLM isn't worth taking on more debt if you don't get into NYU. It definitely seems like thereâs a debate about whether the LLM is a necessity for an entry-level tax job. This is NOT a forum for legal advice. [â][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (8 children). Depends on the field. [â]farmer_jd[S] 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (4 children). When I looked it up, I didnât see tons of LLMs in tax, period. The seminar will include both JD and LLM students and we encourage students with a range of exposure to the underlying subject matter. Yeah. Furthermore, the year of time would more likely be helpful in searching for full-time employment. There are the top 3 (NYU, Georgetown, and Florida), which will open doors for you, and then the others. [â]FSUAttorney 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (6 children), A "bad" 2-3 years and UF's program is now a dumpster fire? students can pursue their own interests in legal study. Generally Tax LLM's are competitive, especially at NYU and GT I believe NYU gets around 2 or 3 thousand applications and accept 400 between their programs. Even with the Tax LLM from NYU or G-town job expectations need to be adjusted because recruiting is still difficult. If I were in your shoes, I would apply to the local programs and NYU (if you have a shot at NYU). Each residential faculty member has an open door policy for students to ask questions and discuss course material before and after class. Is it common for people to go to a different school for their LLM? The following is a list of applications to Georgetown Law. I can't think of one classmate/LLM grad that works out there. If you are confused, click here for a more detailed explanation on joining this subreddit. Every LLM is a free ~80-100k for the school. Was it worth it? A UF tax degree is both well known and well respected in the southeast. Do not ask for non-law school homework help or legal advice. 1. ), Master of Law and Technology (M.L.T. © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. UF is also half the cost of Georgetown and in my opinion carries a similar level of weight with big tax firms, although I'm sure the average tax student at UF -- and probably Georgetown too -- has been declining versus previous years. If you don't have tax experience other than taking classes, do not take on more debt to get an LLM if isn't NYU. [â]FSUAttorney -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (1 child). Feel free to PM or comment and ask questions and I will try and be as honest as I can. NYU TAX LLM EMPLOYMENT TEN MONTHS AFTER GRADUATION (represents May graduates of the full time Graduate Tax Program as of 3/15 each year) Class … [â]lVlarkzzzEsq. [â]farmer_jd[S] 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (0 children). [â]farmer_jd[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (3 children). With a tax LLM you'll have a deeper understanding of tax, the code, etc, but you still won't know a damn thing about practicing until you actually get your feet wet. Reason for Tax LLM: 1. R/LAWSCHOOL'S TRANSFER GUIDE (In Progress). I'm a 2L who is close to striking out OCI leads so I've been looking into this as well. [â]farmer_jd[S] 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (7 children). 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